Karen de la Carriere joins Mark Fisher and Janis Gillham Grady to discuss the various Auditor (Counselor) Training Levels from Class 0 all the way up to Class 12 - the highest level - and how it is set up to control people receiving the counseling.

Karen also discusses what happened to Hubbard's eldest son - Quentin Hubbard - who she was friends with and who ended his life in somewhat mysterious circumstances in the late 1970s.

Karen is a former Class 12 Auditor and Case Supervisor in the Scientology Sea Organization, personally trained by L. Ron Hubbard on the Flagship Apollo. She later left the cult and has been an outspoken critic of Scientology, L. Ron Hubbard, David Miscavige and the abuses by the cult.

This is part 1 of our interview with her regarding the Scientology Class 12 Auditors.

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